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asp2 wrote:

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Just imagine, amigo! All this could have been avoided if those ars*eholes in charge of Gaza had (1) not fired rockets into Sderot, (2) not kidnapped an Israeli soldier (3) not launched murderous suicide bombing missions on Israeli civilian centres (4) recognized the existence of the State of Israel (5) accepted the principle of two States, Palestine and Israel, existing in peace side by side. Them wot sow the wind invariably reap the whirlwind.!

Perhaps those soit-disant 'peace activists' should convince Hamas to join the PLO in peace negotiations that can then be taken seriously by Israel and that will ensure their people's safe future rather than criss-cross the globe with silly bowls of apples and the glare of ineffectual publicity to make points that are not taken seriously by people who really matter. A nation whose people has had to face far harder persecution than the Palestinians ever have over millennia will not pay a blind bit of attention either to exhortations such as yours or that of corrupt twerps such as George Galloway!

end of sermon!

asp2 wrote:

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Just imagine: If Jewish settlers had not gone to Palestine, bought 6-8 % of the land and ended up with a UN proposal of 55 % for their own country which now occupies 78 % of Palestine as defined in that conflict, there would be no PLO, no Hamas, no suicide bombers, no dead Jewish Israelis, no hijacked airplanes and cruiseships....

That's rubbish, rosiE and you know it. If Israel did not exist those guys would still have found ways of exercising their primaeval bloodlust if not against each other than against other 'unbelievers' and again manage to get the UN to feed, clothe and otherwise pamper them and help keep them in the dark ages.

andreas18 wrote:

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there would be no PLO, no Hamas, no suicide bombers, no dead Jewish Israelis, no hijacked airplanes and cruiseships....

With this logic, if Islam didnt exist , no hatred wouldn have existed for Jews even ebfore the state of Israel existed and their persecution in the ten's of thousands wouldnt have happened.

Another poor and illogical argument put forward by you Eros.

andreas18 wrote:

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It is poor Eros because you are not consistent when you apply your logic to other cases.

When you apply the same logic to Islam and the treatment it has had on the Jews from Muhammed , your theory is right. However you will not agree with the fact that IF Muhammed never existed, 700 Jewish men and boys would not have been killed by him , the Koran would not have existed in which Jews are demonised, abused and persecuted and the ten's of thousands of Jews that have been killed or persecuted by Muslims since the inception of Islam wouldnt have happened.

andreas18 wrote:

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Why have you changed your post? It sounded better the first time.

You wrote some misleading points above :

Equally, the same logic says that if Jews had accepted Killer Mo as their prophet or whatever, he would not have started hating them.

Maybe so, yet there is no need for any hatred to occur if a Jew says no to his prophethood or does not want to be ruled by Mo! They had their own religion. This just shows that Muhammed was a paranoid ruler who could not take rejection.

andreas18 wrote:

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It is misleading Eros because you claim appear to agree that Mo was a fanatic and a killer and yet you have said many times that moderate Muslims in this world today are peaceful , that it is only Islamic fanatics that go against the teachings of the Quran.

These moderate Muslims love their prophet and believe his actions are good.

You are misleading to the point in which you contradict yourself.

You really do need to think more carefully.